JUSTICE 101

homerskid · Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:39 pm Sweden facing immigration woes.

SNIP:

Swedish Integration Minister Nyamko Sabuni -- a Muslim who came to Sweden when she was 12 and the first African to become a member of government in the country -- insists that the only way for immigrants to integrate into society is to learn the language and get a job.

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LOTS OF LUCK SWEDEN..

Fact is,they don't want jobs,they don't want your language or to integrate ,they don' want your laws.

They want your country!

homer

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070717023055.br5c3oqq&show_article=1

Sweden struggles to integrate Muslim immigrants

Stefan · Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:34 pm

Yes, they're all evil. And now we even have one of those people in government. She'll probably commit a coup d'etat and fill every other government position with people who have strange names and dark faces. :roll:

If I have misunderstood the racism in your post in any way, explain it to me. Because now you're not talking about radical Muslims, but every Muslim. Watch out if you're not a Christian and unemployed! Then apparently you want to take over the country and turn it into Iran.

In the meantime, those who are not racist but have a real interest in immigration problems will do their best to approach those problems without poisoned minds.

homerskid · Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:08 pm

Some people never learn.

Don't oppose the Nazis and they will leave us alone.

Don't speak out about Islamists and I'll keep my head...lol

BTW...I haven't a racist bone in my body...you my friend are the one who keeps bringing up race.

I have never contended that my race,nor any race is superior to another race.
Therefore you should not be calling me racist!

Now put your head back in you a$$ and nap some more. :lol:

Stefan · Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:29 pm

That's true. You only display prejudice, you never speak about it. I'm not comfortable with shutting up about it. I don't want those people who keep coming to this site but never say anything to think this is a place for intolerant people, so I'm just pointing out to you for the record whenever you become unreasonably intolerant.

You were not talking about Islamists. You were talking about regular unemployed Muslims in Malmö. And even if some of them get into trouble in Malmö now and then, it doesn't mean that they are extremists who want to take over the country and impose Sharia laws. Not even all of those who don't want to adapt to a Swedish lifestyle are necessarily terrorists-in-waiting. You need to start making a difference between people and realize that the fringe is not the mainstream.

This is your original post:

Quote: Swedish Integration Minister Nyamko Sabuni -- a Muslim who came to Sweden when she was 12 and the first African to become a member of government in the country -- insists that the only way for immigrants to integrate into society is to learn the language and get a job.

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LOTS OF LUCK SWEDEN..

Fact is,they don't want jobs,they don't want your language or to integrate ,they don' want your laws.

They want your country!

homer

The article and the Integration Minister are talking about regular immigrants. Are you saying now then that your comment was a mistake, that it pertains to radical Muslims and has nothing to do with the article and the Integration Minister? Because they are sure as hell not talking about radical Muslims. Why are you then mentioning it in connection with this article? No, Homer, the truth is (as you have more or less stated earlier) that you're losing the ability to view Muslims in any positive light at all, and yet you're still offended whenever someone points it out to you.
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homerskid · Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:18 pm

A little reading material:

Swedish Welfare State Collapses as Immigrants Wage War

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/938

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.bush/browse_thread/thread/678af226deee80bf?hl=en

The Shadow · Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:14 am

Wow that Brussels Journal article is very sobering. I'd like to hear what Stefan has to comment about it since he is there and we are not.

Stefan · Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:19 pm

Homer neglected to comment on the problems of his initial post and chose to post a few links to articles about problems in Malmö that we have already talked about. But allow me to make a few comments.

* Malmö does have problems. There's a suburb called Rosengård where mostly immigrants live and the radical Muslim elements that exist in our nation usually gather there (as well as in similar suburbs near Gothenburg and Stockholm). Are these groups big and dangerous? Well, they know how to cause the occasional riot to bother the Malmö police, but the people they tend to harrass the most are liberal Muslim kids who ignore the headscarf or socialize with native Swedes, and such. Are there any kind of race riots in Sweden, any signs of Muslims trying to "overthrow the government" or something? No. No serious Muslim scholar would be able to argue in favor of introducing Sharia laws without being seriously reprimanded in a debate by every one of the seven parties in Parliament. The problems that exist are limited to the suburbs. Do politicians take the problems seriously? I don't know. I don't live in Malmö, but I bet more could be done to help the police and social services deal with problems. Last year I saw an interesting documentary on TV about a gang of Muslim thugs who had nothing better to do in a Stockholm suburb but harrass other Muslim kids in the name of religion, but whenever the police showed up they would behave and deny they were doing anything bad. That kind of behavior should be looked into more thoroughly.

* The article spends a lot of time portraying a country on the brink of being swamped by Muslims and where living standards have sunk to unacceptable standards. That makes one wonder what the hell they're talking about until Sverigedemokraterna ("The Sweden Democrats") is mentioned as a brave opposition party that no established politician wants to deal with. Figures. They have everything to gain from misrepresenting Sweden and trying to make people believe crime is on the rise (it is not) and that young Muslim men do nothing but spend their days raping blonde Swedish girls. This is a racist party that I have talked about before. Founded by neo-Nazis, it has spent the last years carefully transforming itself into a modern European nationalist party in the vein of Jean-Marie Le Pen's Front Nationale. It is careful not to claim that the Holocaust never happened, or that Sweden would be better off without immigrants, but this is what the party rank and file believe in. What is the actual threat against Sweden in the coming years? It isn't the Muslim immigrants. It is a racist party being elected into the Swedish parliament in 2010. That's what we're facing, because an increasing number of disillusioned Swedes who blame their own problems on immigration are now feeling increasingly comfortable with voting for a racist party. The same thing is happening in Britain, where support for the British National Party has increased. Then again, Britain does face worse problems with Islamic extremists than any other country in Europe. But those problems are best fought by Labour, the Conservatives or the Liberal Democrats... not a disgusting racist party like the BNP.

Homer, I don't think you're a racist. I don't. But the content of some of your posts are naive, conspiratorial and has a whiff of blame-the-immigrants-first.

The Shadow · Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:20 pm

Now you have piqued my interest. How are these themes or this theme being treated by your neighbors, Norway and Denmark?

Stefan · Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:41 pm

Norway I don't know (except that they also have a far-right party called "The Progress Party", but I believe it has mellowed a bit over the years.

Denmark has tightened immigration laws since a coalition took power several years ago, consisting of right-wing and centrist parties as well as one very controversial party called "The Danish People's Party", which is sort of like "The Sweden Democrats". They're fairly open about their prejudice against Muslims and have targeted them in ad campaigns and such, aimed at scaring Danish voters. They have no qualms about lying in those campaigns either. The former leader of Sweden's liberal party (not liberal as in the American sense, but as in the ideology) confronted the leader of "The Danish People's Party" on a Danish TV show a few years ago and showed her one of the party's most racist ads and asked her if she truly stood for it. She did, she had no regrets. The liberal leader didn't know what to say, he just looked disgusted. I guess he thought she would see reason or something.

Because of Denmark's participation in the Iraq War and last year's cartoon row, that country is probably more threatened by extremists than Sweden, so the tightening of the immigration laws might be of some good. The question though is if it's any fun lately being a Muslim in Denmark. An increasing number of immigrants in that country (as well as France and Holland) are reporting hate crimes.

One reservation: I don't live in Denmark. The facts I've mentioned are correct, but since I don't live there, I can't take the pulse of people there.