JUSTICE 101

Beth · Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:19 pm The Old Board...........Update

I got an e-mail from Marlin and he mentioned that he dropped by the old board and was able to post. Apparently Grendel unlocked the board. I checked it out just to be sure and Marlin did post. I think Maine will appreciate his short but clear message to Jay.

I'm sad that we have been split up like this and I am not angry at anyone, but I'm really not comfortable posting there myself. I just don't trust the situation. Sorry. I mean, Stefan and I may get into it now and again, but I would NEVER even CONSIDER banning him or anyone from the board. I'm just the caretaker. Nothing more. I don't have some power or authority to decide who gets to stay and who doesn't. I don't have that right.

And as long as Grendel feels that she does.......well I won't be held at the whim of someone. And I won't be party to doing it to someone else, no matter how infuriating they may be. I don't want to post something and then worry about whether or not I should have censored myself because I might get locked out for it.

At least here Stefan and I have the freedom to tell each other where to stick it. Not that I condone sticking it, I'm just saying........well, I guess I do condone sticking it. But the point is that I want to be able to tell someone to stick it, if I feel I need. And if someone else feels the need to tell me where to stick it, then I think they should be able to do that.

(That doesn't mean that everyone here should follow this post with other posts listing all the locations of where I can stick it. It was just an example.)

Anyway, I felt I should let everyone know that it appears to be open now. So I don't know what that means for this board. Maybe Stefan will leave for a more comfortable place where he can run and play with his own kind. I don't really have a kind, so I will stay here because in the end, I have to stick to my guns on this one. You can rail on against censorship and the deterioration of people's rights and freedoms.........but if you shut down other people's voices and leave them no recourse, then you are no better than the ones you criticize.

Self-righteous indignation only works if your indignation is actually righteous. That's kind of where I stand.

Marlin · Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:28 pm

Well, I dropped by the old board and just thought I'd check to see if it was still locked. I actually expected it to be locked, but I just typed the first short thing that came to mind as a test. And bingo, it worked. Now I wish I had better thought out what I wanted to post. Oh well. If ya'll want to go post, it looks like you can. But I agree with Beth, I think I won't post there unless it's just to be a pest on purpose. Not that I would do that. :shock: :lol: :idea:

Sorry I'm not hanging around much anymore. I'll try to spend more time here, just so damn busy all the time.

The Shadow · Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:37 pm

Post in both places..why not. I am an internet "Hoe" I'll post anywhere for $20.

The Shadow · Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:49 pm

Marlin where's your post over there? i didn't see it

Beth · Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:29 pm

I know you would Shadow, but like I said, just don't trust the situation over there. If someone else were the administrator and guaranteed me that what happened would never occur again, I would be back in a second. But there is an issue of controling people over there. And I haven't been convinced otherwise.

Perhaps one day I will find really hot, like-minded firemen with which to populate my Island of Betlandia, but until then, I will just stay here and hang out with you guys.

Stefan · Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:16 pm

I'm not running anywhere. However, I might post on the old board, sure. After all, they are closer to my views, even though they seem to be even more to the left at times. Shadow is a comfort, but it gets a little lonely sometimes on this board, being the only liberal. Beth and I agree on certain issues, but that doesn't seem to stop us from getting at each other's throats nonetheless. But I absolutely agree with her that no one should be afraid of being locked out or anything (at least not the core of this group).

As for Grendel, I have no idea why she's opened up the board again, but I'm sure she'll tell those who visit it whenever we start posting on it. Provided it stays open after Marlin's post...

Personally, I'd prefer to have a more mixed board, not a simple right-left divide, but that seems to be where we are (more or less) and there's nothing to do about it. So those of us who are comfortable visiting both boards should do so IMO.

homerskid · Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:36 am

I believe the board(old) is up for renewal this month.
Could be she renewd and hasn't reinstituted the password protect option yet ,or she did not renew and no longer has control.

It may be on the road to dying a slow death on its own.

I read a few postings,and it appears she is leaving Texas for Fla.,or Conn..

I have no intention of going back,but I don't see anything wrong with people posting on both,or going back there.

jay is not my type person...I certainly did not appreciate him saying military people are losers,and they should all come home in body bags.

MaineMan · Tue Jul 17, 2007 2:12 am

The password has been off of the old board for quite some time now. I still go there and read the posts (I pretty much have since the whole blow-up thing happened) and back in early June I tested the reply button and saw that I could respond without a password. I haven't though, because I feel I should contact Grendel first before trying to post something there. For one thing, my language towards was very mean and it's not something I'm proud of. I was VERY angered about the Imus situation at the time and Grendel's comments about that, coupled with a few other things just set me off. I think its safe to say that even though I can relate to her on some things (particularly music or films) we just seem to get at each other’s throats when certain subjects are brought up.

So anyway, I will not post there again unless Grendel say's it's okay but I don't know if I'll even broach the subject. As much as I like that board It seems that every once in a while Grendel or Jay will get really under my skin and I become a real ass. It's probably best for me just to stay right here.

If some of you prefer to post there (or at both places) that's fine by me.

Beth · Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:08 am

Well, I don't know Maine. I think it's ok to be an ass now and again. I mean if you can't be an ass among family, who can you be an ass with? Right Stefan? That was the whole point. We have all lost our cool here and there, but we have never kicked each other out of the proverbial "house" over it.

And I saw that entire episode. I am not going to defend what you did, but she baited you. It was deliberate and intentional. She knew how upset you were and still she made light of it, fully aware of what your reaction would be. So there is equal responsibility in that situation. When Stefan and I go at each other, which one of us do you blame?

Now, with that said, my beef really didn't have to do with your spat. Like I said, we're family, we have those all the time. She locked everyone out, and then decided to preach about our faults leaving us no way of defending ourselves or any recourse. Perhaps the most egregious act was leaving us disconnected from each other. We had to scrounge around trying to find one another and eventually, thanks to Shadow, she gave us back Marlin and Herbie.

That's why I won't go back. Again, I am not angry. I just no longer have any trust for that situation.

MaineMan · Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:18 am

>>>Well, I don't know Maine. I think it's ok to be an ass now and again. I mean if you can't be an ass among family, who can you be an ass with?

*** I agree. However, calling Grendel a "numb c**t" was beyond just being an ass. I was wrong and even though I was extremely frustrated with her belittling the Imus thing, I should have never reacted that way. I agree that she goaded me quite a bit however but it's up to me to realize that and not react in such a vile way. That wasn't the first time either (similar occurrences had happened with Jay as well) so it is just better if I don't return there. At least not for discussions--I may post a youtube song/video at some point if I think it's something Grendel would like. I'd probably use a pseudonym If I do that and see if they know who it is.

In any event, I’m pretty content here.